Exterior cell size in Oblivion vs. Morrowind

[Siegfried]

Originally posted by Razorwing

Originally posted by Caligula Superfly
Gogo 400%! When I first started exploring the OB wilderness, I felt a bit sad when I realized how much of the map I could traverse in a minute.

Hear hear :yes:

Morrowind was brilliant because Red Mountain was a huge and natural barrier, so one had to explore the island around the rim, making it seem much larger than it was from a bird's eye view. Plus the not-so-strictly-levelled creatures made sure the player had to wait to explore some parts of the island, iirc. I remember fast-travelling to one of the Telvanni towns and being scared shitless when a daedroth attacked me just outside of town

Ah yes, good times get chased by overpowered monster through the winding terrain of Vvardenfell. I remember being caught in a blight storm near Arkgnthand with my very first char (Nord Crusader) on the Xbox, I was at half health and was attacked by 7 cliff races- I took them all out, or the time I barely escaped 2 blighted Kagoutis, the Caldera guard saved my skin in the nick of time

[Axen]

I'll see how TES3 ST's land feels like when Timeslip implements fogging into his MGE distant lands.

[Zarf]

8 to nothing across the board. :-D

I would really like to see huge cells in Oblivion's engine.

[HeIsTheDarkness]

16x16 of course with fast travel system the range is not the problem, and if PC wants to go into wilderness he will not meet another city every 10mins )

[sandor]

Originally posted by Razorwing
So, bigger is better I think, keeps our options open

That's the way to go.

[Siegfried]

Out of curiosity: how long on average does it take to create one exterior cell in Oblivion? Just throwing down rocks and flowers and doing the vertex shading.

[Rodan]

I've gotten the worldspace from (-135,50) to (135,-135).

[KuKulzA]

I think we all want it big

[Axen]

Did some more testing. The view distance starts to become totally fogged at 36 cells (9 Morrowind-sized cells), and it drops off beyond that (though I COULD be wrong, I'll test some more).

Edit: Hmm. The distant land... uh, distance seem to be quad-dependent rather than cell-dependent. You can see into every quad surrounding the quad that you're in.

[Razorwing]

Originally posted by Rodan
I've gotten the worldspace from (-135,50) to (135,-135).

I did a quick measurement of the Blacklight+Silgrad landmass going by Prometheus map. I'm not sure how closely we want to follow it, but I think it at least has the scales like we want them to be. As I could see it, the borders in TES3 applied to our current plans, would be these

-13 in the east (east tip of Latrys island)
-43 in the west (windhelm)
22 in the north (coast of Blacklight)
-6 in the south (just north of Veranis Hall)

(there are cells with the 0 coordinate, so -6 to 22 = 29)

So, in Morrowind measurements, our landmass would be 29 cells 'vertically' and 30 cells 'horisontally'.
Which comes out to 870 cells.
Oblivion scale equation at 16x16 equals 256.
870*256 equals 222 720 cells.

I'm not sure how you meant in your post, but that should come out to 271*186 cells right? Which would equal 50 406. Then again you didn't say if you included the whole planned landmass in that measurement.