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+----- Thread: A good old Debate! (/Thread-A-good-old-Debate)
A good old Debate! - IAMTHEEMPEROR - 08-09-2007
Do you miss those old debates that used to be so frequent around here? Maybe just a little philosophy? Well, let's start another one.
Now pick one of these options and go with it. When one is picked, no deciding another. Since people like different debates and discussions, I'll let you all choose.
Prove that you exist and how
[strike]Communism, Marxism, and Socialism[/strike] (no politics, those discussions usually end badly)
How the universe exists
Is fate set in stone
Time
If you want to pick something else, feel free to say so, so long as you're the first poster, or at least the first one with something relevant to say.
It's late summer and I need to get my brain working right before school.
- DarkAsmodeous - 08-09-2007
Prove that you exist and how - While I, and all of us, can be certain of our own existance, we cannot be certain of the NATURE of that existance, there is no irrefutable way to prove we do not exist in simulated reality, though cases of probability may be made, it cannot be proved so I shan't try.
Communism, Marxism, and Socialism - Ooh, I miss these.
How the universe exists - How? Or because of what?
Is fate set in stone - No way to act beyond self determination, bound to face lots of half baked arguements.
Time - Hmm...
I give my vote to Prove your own existance, simply to throw ideas into the ring.
Yes... I do miss these, I seem to recall I was a bit of an active participant ^^
- IAMTHEEMPEROR - 08-09-2007
Whenever I think of these debates, it's always you to be the first to pop into my head. You're usually the most knowledgeable and always have a strong backing to every one of your arguments. :yes:
- ChaosCarlos - 08-09-2007
Quote:I think therefore I am.Kind of makes you wonder, what about things that don't have brains and can't think, like trees, rocks, cars?
No politics plz.
- DarkAsmodeous - 08-09-2007
The tunnel goes deeper my friend, just think for a moment.
The only thought you can verify is your own, you cannot truly prove any other being to be autonomous because your understanding of them relies entirely on your perception of them, and that perception is an exercise of YOUR thought, not theirs.
This leads down a train of thought which can arrive at the question:
Do we only truly exist in the memories of others? But what about me at the moment? Are there in fact multiple iteratoins of me, the me's of other's perception, me as I understand me, and the objective me? Is there an objective me? Is there objectivity? If there is not, then observation is all that counts, who's observation counts more towards who I am, other's or my own? Does the relative importance of observations depend on the observer, it would seem it must.
- IAMTHEEMPEROR - 08-09-2007
Do we think? Or do we only think we think. You can think and say you exist, but what about knowing and saying you exist?
If we truly are memories, then how do I have a separate memory. The only way I could have a memory, if I were a memory, would be if I were experiencing memories of myself, and all of you are lifeless beings along for the ride. There is a belief that it is only you who exists, and everyone else is just a figment of your imagination.
What if this is actually some existance after death? We exist and live a second life in an alternate realm, sort of like a heaven, but imperfect as we all are.
To go with your idea of beings that can't think, it doesn't matter. Trees don't think, but you do, so they are real to you, but not themselves. They have no minds and are incapable of assesing their own existance. If you had no senses, no mind, and you were nothing but a massive collection of cells, you wouldn't know you existed, or think you exist, because you have no way to prove it. Give a tree one sense and a mind to register it, and they can prove their own existance. Whether to feel something there, or see the world in front of them, then they know they exist.
- Mormacil - 08-09-2007
I need coffee first
- IAMTHEEMPEROR - 08-09-2007
I need sleep.....aw crap sun's up. Another afternoon morning then.
it is 5:20 and I'm going to bed. No more soda for me this late.....er, early
- TheImperialDragon - 08-09-2007
How can I prove I exist?
I can say I exist, and say the proof is that I'm here. But that wouldn't prove anything, would it? I'd first have to prove the world around us exists. Hm. Let's say what we see around us is real, how do you really know my location exists? Have you ever seen it?
:dunce:
- ChaosCarlos - 08-09-2007
What we see, hear, touch and taste as real are chemical and electrical impulses interperated by the brain. For all we know what we see could be only one level of reality that our brains are capable of seeing. In a few hundred thousand or few million years we could evolve to a point where we'd interpret other levels of reality.
Now I do believe my brain has reached it's daily limit of being warped by philosophical debates so I'll leave it at that.