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- Xae - 05-11-2011
To get production quality, you'll want to edit in uncompressed and transfer in a lossless format. For our purposes however, we needn't be that stingy with minor quality losses.
We should look into using either YULS or MSU if we end up needing to move footage.
- Ibsen's Ghost - 05-11-2011
Given that news, it basically renders VAST, VAST amounts of the footage I have been taking useless. I don't think I'm in a position to take all of that footage again. I just have too much to do, both in RL and with managing BM. I can't imagine the quality being poor, however, as I'm working with .avi files that come to about 300Mb for 20 seconds of footage. Is there not a format I can switch to that would be workable?
Basically, I'm not doing any more 'grunt' work around here whilst others do the fun stuff as that is the burden you bear as the leader almost every single time. That's not me being angry, just wise as to how things always turn out. I'm no one's bitch. =)
@ RCN - Did you say you were planning on using Adobe Premiere for the editing? If that is the case then I can turn the whole thing over to you and simply give you a basic outline of an idea for how I want things and what footage we'll need. I can handle the writing and performance of the voiceover which I can add into the mix (I can get and learn Premiere myself, you see) but you'll need to edit around this and any music that Xae comes up with. Also, I can probably pick up some pieces of footage but not all. The only problem with this is that I know where everything is but I can tell you that over MSN or something. How would you feel about that?
- Xae - 05-11-2011
Ouch. Sorry about that. We could use all that footage if we were to drop HD video and go with 480p.
Uncompressed video is rather huge even at 800 x 600 resolution. It doesn't depend on the format, since resizing video involves artificially adding visual information that doesn't exist. The principle is the same as enlarging digital pictures - eventually, they become blurry.
I'm with you on that sentiment, IG, you have the patience of a saint on valium already.
Last time I checked, my rig recorded 1080p at ~10 FPS and 720p at ~25 FPS, on medium settings, albeit with high texture resolution. This is decent but not ideal. If stealtrecon is able to record at ~30 FPS using 720p and high settings, that's how we should go about it.
As for the editing, I use the Adobe creative suite in my line of work. Previously, I've not had the time to edit a trailer but having cleared my schedule, I could do it. Whatever is most practical. If I am to be sound editing this thing, it would help to have the ability to manipulate cuts and such, i.e. having the rough cut with a bit of margin handy.
Anyway, talking about this in realtime sounds like a good idea. I have MSN tied to my googlemail e-mail address, which I'm guessing you've got, Ibsen?
- stealtrecon - 05-11-2011
And by no means do I expect you to be the only person doing the tedious and difficult work IG. I'll gladly help with the footage. And its the same deal as Xae for me regarding my recording quality. I generally get between 5-20 fps in 1080p and I haven't tried 780p yet. I live in Washington State which is Pacific Standard Time. I'm generally awake and home between 12:30 PM and 4:00 AM my time. Sometimes I go to bed earlier, but I'm usually a night owl, so I can probably attend some msn group chats no problemo.
My Windows Live email is evanlindsay@live.com, thats what I use for instant messaging. Anyways, I suppose I can begin taking some random footage of areas perhaps just to test 720p and 1080p in different areas. For all I know it may just be Blackrose that gets the horrible fps while recording. I will solve that problem over time though. I'm going to make a separate world for Blackrose piece by piece and present it to you guys for consideration.
By the way, I was listening to Xae's songs yesterday and I thought that Swaleheart's Moon would make a good song for the trailer. Its just a suggestion as I am sure you already have plans, but I thought it sounded epic and would work really well for some very exciting scenes.
RCN
- Ibsen's Ghost - 05-11-2011
Cheers for the feedback, guys. :goodjob:
I figured it would be best to send you my MSN address by PM so I'll do that. Xae, I'm not entirely sure I have your MSN address so it's probably best to send it along in your reply.
At the moment, I'm considering how I'm going to word this thing. I have my mainquest outline in front of me now so it's a case of giving it some serious thought.
@ RCN - I think Xae will probably have designs of his own on the music score. His recent tune, Filthwit, was absolutely gorgeous! Nevertheless, Xae, it may help to pick one out as the ideal choice (unless you wanted to compose a completely new one) and it should help to give RCN a guideline.
- stealtrecon - 05-11-2011
Xae and I ran some test on my computer for quality. I chose blackrose to be the area of testing. When the computer was taxed the most with rendering blackrose I got a minimum of 13 fps in ultra high in graphics (720p) compared to 10 fps in medium graphics. (1080p) I generally had an average of 17 fps in blackrose, which is still good enough to record the blackrose area in the future. Like I said though, I will try to optimize blackrose by creating its own worldspace. That way there should be less for the computer to render.
- Ibsen's Ghost - 05-11-2011
Good good. I've got a first draft of the script done. I'd like to run it by the core though.
- stealtrecon - 05-12-2011
I'm gonna look into some more ways to improve my frame rate while recording. I'm really close to being able to record in 1080p with frame rates over 25.
- Ibsen's Ghost - 05-12-2011
Good stuff. I guess it would help to get all the technical issues sorted first. Btw, Xae and I discussed a little about what to do with the script last night so it's in the pipeline.
- Ibsen's Ghost - 05-30-2011
A few more suggestions:
- Speaking to the tame Naga in Pholmolo Village (check that the settings are correct so the Naga does not attack you or other villagers; it may need tweaking)
- A glimpse of Go-Ja Morgoa from the water.
- Gazing out towards the Mannatyr Archipelago from the mainland at sunset and perhaps running up to the Turtleshell hut.
- Entering the Scorpion Pass from the coast and perhaps being attacked by a wild Marsh Runner.
- Turning from an idle Iguana lizard mount to the lizard bones in the Parchlands (-21,-15)
- Head from the top of the waterfall of sludge towards Mulum cave at 3,-1. Take in a glimpse of the animated tree spirit before getting attacked by a Marsh Spirit creature (they all begin 'CreatureBMVC' in the CS)
- Snapshots of Soulrest such as the arboretum (glass dome) both from inside and/or on the balcony of the tower looking down upon it, various shots of the signs swinging in the breeze, the Sload statue, speaking to Skeearynthyr, the Marsh Cat near his house before moving back towards the town's market and 'The Howling Seadog'.
- A glimpse of Gideon from the carnival, preferably with dancing performers and the gypsy wagon in view.
- Snapshots of Stormhold including the Plague Doctor, moss-ridden alleys, the swampgarden to the South, the walkway in the Castle (may need supplementing with a few Royal Legion Guards and a Governor on the seat on a temporary basis), a glimpse of the Hole-in-the-Wall bar and a little of the Cathedral.
- Getting attacked by Durzogs near to Alten Corimont.
- Fear lizard and Argonian zombie attacks (to make sure you get footage of the new dungeon tilesets).
- Possibly a little of other settlements from RockGuard, Monago-Oag, Utateki and Pholmolo (may be best to do a fly-through from the gorge along the river and through the tunnel).
- Unusual flora - there is a nirnworm at -12,-10 that overlooks RockGrove, a few Rafflesia just outside Glok-Chuba at -6,18 and a single seedpod at -14,20 (more need adding of these in selected locations - I also need to double-check that they're working as they should i.e. exploding). Just try to get this sort of stuff in shot or, in the case of the Rafflesia, you can go up to them and probably find twitching maggots inside.
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Don't forget these items as well: The Trailer .
Anyone got suggestions for particular interiors? I may be a bit short on them. I would suggest that, once edited, the more interesting stuff appears towards the end with the old settlements getting a little attention to begin with. Some general landscape shots would be useful as openers but only once the new LOD is added. Remember, the easternmost regions of the beta (Arnesian Jungle, Vudai Marshes, Murkwood, Talu Swamps and part of Throttlemesh Myre) will not have LOD just as yet. Still waiting for the files from sandor...
Plenty of fighting snapshots can come in useful for rhythm editing (cutting to beats) if needed. Likewise, more mellow city shots.