how to organize the Great House War
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04-20-2006, 12:04 PM,
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how to organize the Great House War
as you all know the great house war is a complex questing of various now allied factions... this makes it complex since in most game it is a third party, a neutral faction that you join and do stuff for.... like the Blades.... here it is a war
so we decided on the war-room idea, the strategizing chamber... each side has one... The Hlaalu-Dres Alliance have a war-room that has Dres & Hlaalu generals,& the Nord, Duke and Helseth's generals. The Triple Alliance of Telvanni, Redoran, Indoril as well as ashlanders and betmer have their own war-room.... alright.... so if that is so... we will need to decide how the questing goes...
when you join Redoran you basically signed up for the Redoran/Indoril aspect when you join Telvanni you signed up to fight the Telvanni side of the war when you join Hlaalu you signed up for the Hlaalu's side fo the war (and Dres as well if it is joinable) now lets think of the others.... ashlanders, betmer, and Nords... because someone doesn't necessarily HAVE to join a house, they may fight the war through one of these three factions.... basically, if you are a Cyrodiilic, Nord, or Breton- the Nordic Raiders is available... if you are Dunmer ashlanders is open, and if you are any kind of Betmer then the betmer are for you... so when you decide to "start" the war.... you can be the lead of Redoran (Indoril), Telvanni, Hlaalu, (Dres?), Nord, Ashlander, or Betmer I guess if we do it that way we can have several different quest paths... all from a different perspective.... the Hlaalu side of the spectrum could be them struggling to fight off the Redoran... the Dres would be their hounding down the Indoril and besieging Telasero and Molag Mar the Nords would be raids on Tel Mora, Khuul, Ald Velothi, Gnsis and mainly fights with Rotheran and Valenvaryon the Telvanni would be fighting against Dres and Morrowind Legions the Redoran (Indoril) would be fighting Hlaalu and Dres and Morrowind Legions the ashlanders would be raiding and also coming down Nabia R. to raid the ascadian isles the betmeri would be fighting Nords from Sheogorad as well as striking Dres fromthe mushroom forests and Hlaalu towns from the Bitter Coast so I am wondering, should we:
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04-20-2006, 07:41 PM,
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RE: how to organize the Great House War
I'd say Dres should be a joinable faction, to balance out having to joinable houses on each side. As for how the war should work I think it be a combination of a and b, you have to join a Great House, and then you have the option of joining a minor faction (i.e. ashlanders, nords, ect.) Each house will have a questline, but there will be bonuses, special objectives and rewards, and the occasional sidequest thrown into the mix based off the minor faction you joined. For example you join Redoran and you're given a mission to clear a Hlaalu outpost: if you joined ashlanders you are supposed to locate an heirloom that belonged to an ashlander warrior slain by the Hlaalu and bring it back to his tribe. If you joined the Betmeri there is a particularly cruel Dres warrior at the fort who was a slaver before the emancipation, when you attack the outpost he will flee: you have to hunt him down and bring the Betmeri his head.
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04-20-2006, 09:54 PM,
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wow... good idea.... makes it much more complex... but more fun.... this will be tough...
and bit crazy too..... but you know what, I like crazy.... I'll give it some thought |
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04-20-2006, 10:24 PM,
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Sounds like the kinds of quests you'd expect in the game at launch, not just silly mod content. +my approval.
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04-20-2006, 10:27 PM,
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well we ARE basically make a new game, sorta...
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04-20-2006, 10:34 PM,
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It would be less complex than making totally unique questlines for each faction, this way allows for us to put more detail into the mainquestline of each house, while adding to the replay factor. Really the varying objectives based on minor faction are just an extra line of code here and there to activate the bonuses.
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04-26-2006, 02:37 AM,
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now that I think about it... we need to balance it out
Revolutionaries Royal Morrowind Legion Great House Hlaalu Great House Dres* Sheogorad Nords Traditionalists Great House Redoran* Great House Telvanni Betmeri League* Ashlander Tribes *not yet joinable *includes Redoran *may be split into two groups but if you add Helseth's Legions, it evens it out... and since Imperial Guard is more peace-keeping than real wartime now EXCEPT Pelagiad and Ebonheart and Moonmoth since Ald-ruhn and Gnisis are at the mercy of the Redoran plus they are friends... and Wolverine Hall is basically irrelavent but there is big debate about House Dres, they have a say in Vvardenfell but aren't a big player here... unlike on the mainland... they do have a big role but aren't as a big a presence as say Hlaalu... Hlaalu - Redoran Dres - Telvanni Nord - Betmer ? - Ashlander Legion - Redoran/Indoril/Telvanni I say maybe Nord/Hlaalu fights the ashlanders, what I mean is equal in strength the Redoran/Indoril/Telvanni is Indoril backed up, but they are "under" Redoran section |
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06-15-2006, 10:36 PM,
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after rethinking this dilemna....
we want to make this a balanced equation... on one side are: Great House Hlaalu, Sheogorad Nords, Dres Warlords on another are: Great House Redoran, Great House Telvanni, Betmeri League*, Ashlander Tribes, Indoril Refugees *this faction may be revised, for now "betmer" is a place-holder name this is obviously uneven in numbers... that's not good... so what can we add to the Royalists? Helseth's power? what else? let us look at another three factors... leadership / military / economy / endurance / population, all 1-5 leadership is not only that they have good leaders but that these leaders are free to exert power, with little opposition from within, so therefore say the Dres, they have a strong leadership because no internal opposition (and their warlords are good leaders) so it does not only mean good leaders, but also overall leadership military is relative, so even though Valenvaryon orcs are strong, they can be way outnumbered endurance takes into account how long they can fight a war, and also how long their numbers can keep it up, so basically a rating how well they can stay in the war without total annihilation
so if we look at counters Hlaalu - Redoran
Hlaalu and Redoran are almost equal, but Hlaalu economy and population is better and Redoran military and morale is better, it sort of evens outNord - Ashlander + Betmer Dres - Indoril ? - Telvanni Nords are less entrenched but can keep sending in numbers, ashlanders and Betmer can wage a long-war but their numbers increase only slowly, their loss of troops will hurt more. The Dres and Indoril are practically equals no doubt so who will face Telvanni? |
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06-15-2006, 10:43 PM,
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Another problem is that I believe most Dres likely aren't happy with the alliance with House Hlaalu, being loyal traditionalists along with Indoril...
And Helseth probably isn't all too loyal to the Imperials. He's a corrupt, power hungry bastard; he's playing with politics and such to set him in a position where he can get more power (he's learned this from politics in High Rock). |
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06-16-2006, 12:11 AM,
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very very true....
I think when we look at all this we also need to consider betrayals... so maybe SOME Dres troops can be found mixed in with Redoran, people who felt that they should be siding with their traditional allies.. also, the Dres living close to Hlaalu and Indoril borders would be better with Helseth's policices since they probably don't like Indoril's aggressions and trade with Hlaalu, but the ones in the deep south are probably unhappy since they fight argonians and once the slaves were freed, they found themselves in DEEP trouble... also, the Hlaalu may not necessarily like Helseth.... so a few might go to the other side, in hopes that he/she can also get some power for him/herself... but anyhow, this war is not condoned by Helseth, nor by most mainlanders... Great House Indoril probably sees the Indoril refugees as traitors fleeing from the civil war... the Great House Dres sees the warlords are upstarts and troublemakers... the Great House Hlaalu sees the Vvardenfell Hlaalu as incapable of dealing with the situation and avoiding war. the Redoran on mainland see Venim as a dictator of sorts (even though it's more like his political alliance with Athyn Sarethi makes him popular and able to centralize the council), and so the mainland Redoran don't like him that much. Additionally, the Telvanni led by Aryon are being aggressive, that is in direct violation to the mainland Telvanni's treaties with Helseth and also their unspoken rule of thumb... therefore, finding factions to balance it out is tough... |
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